Mar 19, 2004 i would recommend flushing the brake system, old brake fluid can cause soggy brakes. Parts listed are those that we sell regularly andor have large stocks of. Since my 59 sii shares brake fluid between brakes and clutch, if i need to bleed the clutch cylinder for any air bubbles, will i have to do the same for the brakes. Its nothing more than just the 2 brake lines and the 2 bolts and then well show you how to bleed it in the vehicle.
Front brake rebuilding kit, 88inch vehicles, for land rover series 2, 2a and 3, includes brake shoes, seals, bleed screws and castrol dot 4 brake fluid item. Using a friend, get them to use 3 rapid stokes of the brake pedal 3 strokes less than 1 sec apart, about 2 3rds of the way to the floor each time, as you open the bleed nipple. All the pipe work is new so are the wheel cylinders and master cylinder as well as the shoes and drums. Front brakes are defender discs, rear brakes land rover drums original with new wcyls. Brake and clutch fluid check land rover series 2a 2. I saw my dad do it once or twice when i was wee lad but have never done it myself. This procedure covers bleeding the complete system, but where only the primary or secondary circuit have been disturbed in isolation, it should only be necessary to bleed that circuit. Follow the bleed sequence listed in the discovery 2 workshop manual. I have replaced all four wheel cylinders, the master cylinder, and the flexible brake lines and none of this helped. The rover was just professionally serviced to ensure everything is in good running condition and ready for many more adventures. Remote brake and clutch fluid reservoir kit land rover series. Zeus disc brake conversion kit for land rover series 1, 2,2a,3, stage 1 counties, and salisbury axles with drums.
Brakes in series series 2 parts brakes from john craddock ltd. The following is a description for replacing the 10 style brakes found on short wheel base land rovers built before 1980. Forth some brakes need to be adjusted so they rub to ware them to the drum correctly. Air pressure brake bleeder pm1241 land rover easy one. I have a series 2a 109 and ive run out of ideas on why the brakes will not work. Clutch bleeding on a series land rover series 1, 2 and 3. Power brake upgrade for pre1968 series ii and early iia land.
Jan 02, 2007 power brake upgrade for pre1968 series ii and early iia land rovers this 1964 land rover 109 regular came from the factory with singlecircuit, nonpower drum brakes. We may be able to supply other parts as well, please contact us and we will do our best. Introduced in 1958, ten years after the series i, the land rover series ii required some restyling to accommodate the improvements that had been made underneath that sporty aluminum body. Brake bleeding on a range rover or land rover duration. I have a question regarding bleeding of the brake system. The process of bleeding the brakes will be the same other than the speed bleeders have a one way check valve built into them so you would only need to crack them loose and pump the brakes. Back in the 60s im sure i read in a land rover workshop manual that in the event of brake bleeding difficulty the vehicle should be driven over rough ground and allowed to stand overnight, then bled again. Vacuum bleeding systems are reputed not to work well. I tried bleeding conventionally with the units in place, but predictably it didnt work, so i had to go through my usual and long winded bleeding method using an ezibleed a bottle pressurised by tyre pressure and a draining jar with clear hose to the bleed nipple with as follows.
If not, you are describing the frustrations of land rover drum brake adjustments, shared by many enthusiasts on this forum. Just a quick one on checking the brake and clutch fluid check levels. Bleeding the brakes on discovery series ii in this video, doug, our land rover master technician, will use the iland diagnostic app to perform a brake bleed, a function that must be done on discovery series ii after work on your brake system. Another thing is you could try to bleed the brakes one at a. I would love to know how land rover did it as they left the factory. Power brake upgrade for pre1968 series ii and early iia land rovers this 1964 land rover 109 regular came from the factory with singlecircuit, nonpower drum brakes. Sam ideally a vac bleeder on a compressor for a series if your on your own. Land rover series one brake parts land rover spares, land.
Zeus disc brake conversion kit for series 1,2,2a,3 land rovers. We also offer replacement brake pipes, hoses, master cylinders and overhaul kits etc. Land rover series 2, 2a and series 3 brakes paddock spares. Browse by vehicle range rover classic range rover p38 9502 range rover l322 0209 range rover l322 1012. You will need a 2nd person to pump the brake pedal while you brake the bleeder screws. Alright, so to remove the master cylinder the first thing were going to do is disconnect the electrical connector for the fluid sensor. Bleeding is always a problem on these twin leading shoe systems. Land rover series 1, 2, 2a and 3 years 19481984 brake. Part 4 of my land rover series 2a service and tune up videos. Brake problem poor pedal series forum the land rover forum. I will try to bleed the brakes 1st and see if any change, if not, new shoes.
Probably the most common repair that a series land rover owner will undertake is replacing the brakes. Series brake bleeding australian land rover owners. The check valve allows the air to escape the system but it seals itself off once you let off the break not allowing the air back into the system. We have plenty of very knowledgable members so if you have any questions about your land rover or just want to connect with other landy owners, youre in the right place. Always start at the rr then lr, rf and lf, use 3 pints of dot 4 synthetic and bleed each wheel till the fluid coming out is clear. I bled both of the rear calipers using one of those neat little one man bleeder kits with the plastic bottle and tube assembly. Brake bleeding on a range rover or land rover watch doug, our land rover master technician, show you how to bleed the brakes on a range rover full size, 2003 2005 l322. Releasing each in turn showed the air to be in the front 2 slave cylinders. Bleeding brake after abs module fix land rover and range. The factory manual method was specific and once i used it i could bleed them in 15 mins. Using the iland diagnostic app for brake bleeding on.
The reason for changing to an early defender master cylinder when converting to disc brakes is because these designed specially for discsdrums setup. May 18, 2011 bleeding is always a problem on these twin leading shoe systems. Someone had the drums scimmed so the drum was larger than the shoes. The series iia land rover 6l was introduced in april 1967, with the 6cylinder 2. We always guarantee great quality at the best prices. I have fitted a new cv master, all new slaves, shoes, copper pipe and hoses. Brake problem poor pedal series forum the land rover. I have fitted a new brake system to a series 2 and now i cant get a decent pedal. Zeus disc brake conversion kit for series 1,2,2a,3 land.
Land rover series 48 74 pressure bleeding is the most efficient and foolproof means of removing air from the braking system. Richards suggestion of clamping the pipes, all 3, resulted in the pedal being hard. Partial bleeding of the hydraulic system is only permissible if a brake pipe or hose has been disconnected with only minor loss of fluid. Brake bleeding your defender part 2 the fine art of land rover maintenance duration. This system is notorious for retaining air, resulting in poor brake. Master cylinder is srs 2 b standard a new one, it is the type with a big nut on the end. Had success in the end with a pressure bleeder and driving up a steep hill to move the bubbles. For this reason alone it is necessary to keep the system in good condition in order to get the most effective braking possible. According to land rover technical bulletin 1f9 the centre of the front snail cam is 4. The nipple can then be loosened and the clutch peddle pumped by hand photo 3 until no further air bubbles are seen to come from the end of the rubber.
We have just spent ages and ages trying to bleed up an early series 2 with the cb type master cylinder. Trouble is air gets trapped doing them conventional way. Jul 26, 2019 handy tip to remove air from brake lines. Rover were offering an even wider choice, from the basic short wheelbase with canvas canopy the range went right through to the big, forwardcontrol model. I have bled the system many times using various methods, im pretty confident there is no air in the system. Then when pedal solid release the passenger clamp while under brake pedal pressure. Ive fitted a complete new brake system to my 1967 series iia, but i cant bleed it.
A forum community dedicated to all land rover owners and enthusiasts. Address dingocroft penn rental service ltd ta, high street, downley, high wycombe, hp 5xj united kingdom. Landyzone is the biggest land rover forum on the net. I would recommend flushing the brake system, old brake fluid can cause soggy brakes. If i pressure bleed the brakes, they work for anywhere between 3 days and a couple weeks but then all of a sudden the pressure drops again and i have to pump the brakes to get any pressure. You can also get a ratchet on the shoes to compress them in then do a regular 2 man bleed. Series 2a brakes nightmare landyzone land rover forum. I wish i could have used it on eudora, our 77 swb series 3 when i replaced the whole brake system. Dec 16, 2008 i have a question regarding bleeding of the brake system. Series 2 and 3 goodridge stainless steel braided brake lines have become the standard in racing and offroading, and this technology is now available for most models of land rover. Specifically the brake pressure is significantly lacking. Brake bleeding problems series forum the land rover forum. How to replace brake master cylinder on discovery series ii. Get some 2 brake pipe clamps to clamp the flexis off.
The best way to perform a series land rover brake system upgrade is to decide which type of servo you want and purchase a brake pedal assembly, servo unit and master brake cylinder for that were all sold together for the same truck. A brief history of the land rover series ii, iia and iib fc. Brake bleeding for land rover series vehicles applies to. Power brake upgrade for pre1968 series ii and early iia. Put 1 clamp on passenger side put 1 clamp on the rear t flexi bleed the drivers side using option 3 with the well trained wife. When they work, the brakes engage right at the top of the pedal, but when they dont, i have to pump the brake a few times for them to engage.
If youre bleeding 109 11 brakes, the dual front cylinders are very difficult to bleed properly not the type worked on in the book of lies, so they have no idea because the inlet and outlet ports are at the 39 oclock position, which creates an air trap in the top half of the cylinder. Either do a gravity bleed, one wheel at a time or a pressure bleeder if this is to be a one man job. I just replaced the rear calipers, rotors and pads on my 97 discovery for the first time. Servo is a new lockheed remote, and yes it is correctly mounted facing up at 25 degrees and the control valve 45 degrees below horizontal. The new brake shoes did not sit in the drum correctly. Goodridge kits feature the finest quality stainless steel braided hose, which improves braking performance, eliminates the spongy feel of rubber hoses and provides. You willshould get a solid brake after a few pumps. Since 1948 land rover have used drum brakes on all the vehicles up until about 1986. Bleeding land rover brakes technical matters back room. Pressure bleeding is the most efficient and foolproof means of removing air from the braking system. This system is notorious for retaining air, resulting in poor brake action. Land rover series 2 3 imperial brake clutch cylinder bleed nipples pack of 5 you are buying 5 bleed nipples part number 556508 manufacturers part numbers are used for identification purposes only. However, it is imperative that proper preparation and precautions are taken to ensure the integrity of the operation.
May 31, 2005 hotshot, youre spot on about the reverse bleeding method. Richards advice about clamping the brake shoes is good. I compared the rave with the posts here and followed all the directions. Some back bleed with a syringe from slave cylinders burping out in master. The other end of the tubing should be immersed in a few cc of brake clutch fluid in a transparent plastic bottle. I have a 1962 series 2a that i have consistently had issues with.
Servo repair kit land rover 1968 to 1984 and 90110 type 50 servo 18g8951l. A bit of a pain, but bleeding these brakes is notorious for being a bugger. Bleeding the brakes on a series land rover the braking system on any series land rover is decades old technology, even if the individual component parts are new. Land rover series 2 master cylinders john craddock ltd. The 1993 d110 master brake cylinder available in north america would be a good choice for a series land rover that has front disc brakes and rear drum brakes. Well i have installed gearbox, transfer box, transmission brake and hand brake lever, i have attached slave cylinder, and the clutch feels a little soft so do the brakes. We have front axle, rear axle, master cylinder and overhaul kits. Series brake bleeding it takes 5 or more pumps to get some brakes, ive replaced all the shoes with better ones new rear, meaty secondhand ones of my iii on front replaced all the leaking brake lines, replaced all seals in slave cylinders and bled the brakes conventionally starting at the one furthest away working my way back to the closest. Discovery series ii the lounge discovery series i range rover classic general land rover discussion. Brake bleeding page 2 land rover and range rover forums. Checked the drums and theyre within tolerance and nicely round.
Using iland app brake bleed discovery series ii duration. In this video, doug, our land rover master technician, will use the iland diagnostic app to perform a brake bleed, a function that must be done on discovery series ii. Brake adjustment on the rover depends upon having shoes that have a good amount of lining on them, on drums that are the right diameter, and on adjuster cams that are the original. Clamp off the hose to the other front the one you arent bleeding and rear drums. Used the traditional brake bleed method, the vacuum method and syringe method still a poor pedal.
Bleeding each in turn by stamping on the pedal has worked. Most of the questions we answer on the phone here at rovers north are about the correct way to replace brakes. Discussion in series land rovers started by ctypejag, may 20, 2012. Bleeding an abs system on a land rover defender discovery 2.
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